| Kemp Aabergand the Rise of California Surfing: Conclusion
 
 
 Kemp now resides in the hills overlooking Santa Barbara, an accomplished
        Spanish classical guitar soloist and respected Rincon local. Thanks to
        Kemp for revealing these many insights into the phenomenal rise of
        California surfing. Many thanks to longtime friend and Rincon local Dave
        Dahlquist for allowing us to use his Carpenteria workshop for this
        December 2001 interview.
        INTERVIEW CONCLUSION:
        
 "I'm gonna start a class in beginning flamenco". So
        that the very, very beginning concepts of the guitar can be related to
        substantial knowledge about how to strum "Soliares" or how to
        do a "Resciotto" or what the structure of "Seviannas"
        is ..."
        
 WC:
        Both you and your brother are accomplished
        musicians.KA:That's a matter of opinion. He
        (Denny) can perform in public with bands.
 WC:
        You play serious flamenco guitar don't you?KA:Yeah. My brother (Denny) plays
        popular music and plays for surf movies and he plays at longboard
        contests during their evening parties. All that, I don't do at all. I
        basically study classical guitar, play written music and play Scarlotti.
 WC:
        You've been doing that for thirty or forty
        years right?KA: Yeah, I love it. Its self
        entertainment and keeps me busy and out of the 'pool halls'.
 WC:
        And you can read all those complicated
        scores?KA:Yep. Read the music. And then I
        play also some flamenco which is related to it but its a different type
        of music. Its more a lot of strumming, its very rhythmic. But to me its
        fascinating. And between the two sports, God I wish I was like Greenough
        because nothin is more fun to me than surfing and then playing the
        "geetar". Its really fun.
 "It's the perfect thing to do for a traveling surfer." 
        
 WC:
        I love that Spanish style ... the compositions
        are so beautiful.KA: They're so beautiful. The music
        has just hooked me but in the classical realm, you need about two or
        three lifetimes to eat up what the repertoire is. There's like all this
        baroque music which is just unbelievable and it goes all the way through
        into the 1900's. And classical guitars are playing ragtime, "Maple
        Leaf Rag", "The Entertainer", all those popular ones by
        Scott Joplin. And then all of the eras represent a giant repertoire like
        of the early Spanish Renaissance music, which I like a lot and most
        people just go, "Whow ... what do you like about that?".
 WC:
        Have you ever made a CD?KA:Never made a CD.
 WC:
        Have you and your brother ever thought of
        getting together and doing a project together?KA:Not really. We have fun sometimes.
        He plays a bit of classical and sometimes we work on songs.
 WC:
        I'm thinking of groups that combined
        acoustic and electric, "Pentangle" with John Renborn Bert
        Jansch. They combined blues and jazz with English folk and had an
        incredible sound.KA:The thing I'm doing now, which I
        like, is I'm going to start in Santa Barbara. And I want to start the
        very, very beginners flamenco class. So that a guy that doesn't know
        what a "resciotto" is, or doesn't know what. In fact, I just
        wrote an article which I should send you. Its called, "How to speak
        Flamenco". Its a fun little thing, its about my first experience
        running into it. But the thing is I see, when I first ran into
        it, I went, "Boy, that's faxcinating! But it looks so
        "hairy" ... like the hell could you ever do it, its really
        complex, my God! If someone in Santa Barbara would clue into me,
        "I'm gonna start a class in beginning flamenco". So that the
        very, very beginning concepts of the guitar can be related to
        substantial knowledge about how to strum "Soliares" or how to
        do a "Resciotto" or what the structure of "Seviannas"
        is ... You know what I mean? These are songs. So I'm kind of stoked on it.
        I want to see how many people will surface when I advertise that. I used
        to do a class at the YMCA in classical. People really liked that. I was
        surprised at how many people said, "Oh, I'll read music!". A
        lot of people don't want it, they just want a scales training and a
        pick.
 "I lived on the isle of Mull for a while in a trailer. I was alone
        there. And I was studying these Lute pieces. I can't say I ever got
        bored. There were tons of days of just wind blowing across the heather.
        And I'd just sit in this trailer, just plunk away...and its so involving
        and so much fun."
 WC:
        I got a book by "Noad".KA:You know Frederick Noad, I dearly
        liked that man, he was fabulous. He lived nearby here. He lived in Ojai,
        which is just over the hill. He published all of the great learning
        books. He even had a TV program too on instructional classical.
        Unfortunately, he has died within the last two months.
 WC:
        I started and could see that even the simple
        written melodies could really draw you in.KA:You know what it was for me a lot,
        its the perfect thing to do for a traveling surfer that was a positive
        and progressive use of time. It exercised the mind and was also
        intrinsically valuable. Like you can't go buy this chunk of knowledge
        that I might sit here with right now. You have to struggle through it
        and go through it for a long time. So like when I was traveling I'd be
        in Western Australia let's say and be camped out somewhere ... and every
        place blows out and you aren't gonna sit there ... Reading books is fine.
        And I never was much of a like, "find out where the nearest
        pub" was. But to like sit there, in a van on the beach or in a
        chair, and to be reading beautiful music and then coordinating your
        hands to get better and better. All of a sudden you become totally rapt
        in it, and you can forget about, you know, the time it takes for the
        waves to come up again. And yet you're involved in a craft like your
        (Dave's) woodwork. You know how it is to get, "Wow, this cut's
        gotta be just right. And that will fit just with this and ah! I've got
        an idea for this". Its a craft. And its an assembly of pitches and
        rhythm and I loved it as a way to complement surf surfari, basically, or
        surf adventure. I mean, I do it at home now. But what I'm saying is that
        when you're on the road and you have no place to go and you're camping
        ... and stuff like that. Or you're a gypsy or transient. The
        guitar becomes something that fills in all the time. You aren't just out
        there ... you know. ... I lived on the isle of Mull for a while in a
        trailer. I was alone there. And I was studying these Lute pieces. I
        can't say I ever got bored. There were tons of days of just wind blowing
        across the heather. And I'd just sit in this trailer, just plunk away ..
        .and its so involving and so much fun. Its a real personal
        therapy. Music therapy for yourself. That's the way it got me going.
 WC:
        Has anybody focused on you about your
        classical guitar playing?KA: The only article I've had ever done
        was by Russ Spencer, who's a local here in Santa Barbara. And he did a
        profile for Surfer's Journal. That was a while back.
 WC:
        Denny did the soundtrack for "Innermost
        Limits of Pure Fun" ?KA:Yeah, he has songs on there. One
        of them he sang the other night which I thought was kind of cute. A real
        cute little tune that he made up the lyrics to ... and we were at a
        Christmas get together the other night, a dinner party, and he played
        the song called, "Crumple Car." It's really cute,
        "Rambling down the road in an old VW Bus" like you're bouncing
        along a dirt road. You'll hear it on "The Innermost Limits" if
        you see it. But it is cute. I thought, Wow! here he is alive singing
        this gol danged song that he made up in the sixties. I thought it was
        corn ball at the time. but now, "Its really a classic!" Innermost Limits" is kind of fun. It shows really the
        primordial "stoke" of surfing. If you watch it, Greenough
        edits it like ... picking the film off the floor and connecting it to the
        next one on the table like this. So basically when you're watching it,
        you're jerked from Hawaii, to Australia and up and down. And there's no
        sense at all. But the subject material is so interesting to watch
        historically. And it gives you that feeling of really being stoked on
        surfing. And that thing of going to the beach, having the waves there
        and getting out and like ... Bob McTavish type enthusiasm of ripping
        waves ... the feeling of "sliding".
 "I think he (George Greenough) was thinking very
        creatively....closer to the element...what is it like when these
        "crystal shingles" come pouring over you." 
        
 WC:
        The thing I liked about Greenough's
        photography was the water...the water textures and patterns of movement
        as seen through a wide angle "fish eye" lens.....That point of
        view was totally original in surfing. Bruce Brown, Greg McGillvery, Dan
        Merkel adopted it much later. Greenough invented that and you see derivatives
        of the technique right up to the present day - on Surfer
        Magazine covers - Aicher comes to mind .KA:You know what, I have to say that,
        "He was thinking." Because everyone else was just tripod and
        Greenough is not a standup surfer, he was a kneeboarder basically. And
        he saw and said, "Hey, I've got to get that on film." I think
        he was thinking very creatively ... closer to the element ... what is it
        like when these "crystal shingles" come pouring over you.
 WC:
        And the whitewater hits and all the bubbles
        go off! That photography inspired Pink Floyd. They were so inspired by
        that photography that they wrote music for "Echoes", his next
        movie. Those shots of being in the tube and seeing this little piece of
        daylight and then coming out of it.
 WC:
        We got to see him at a very private session.
        We had a pass to the Ranch.
 WC:
        In the winter of '69-'70. He had the camera
        on his back and had a whole routine choreographed, but on one wave, a
        "macker", the curtain came down and he didn't come out and it
        knocked the film off the camera and he had to come in out of the water.
        And then we were talking to him on the beach ..."The Mad
        Scientist" with that long blond hair ... pure intelligence ...
 KA:He is a real character...no doubt
        about it. And his ... ahhh ..."unique situation" is what created
        him. His mother and dad had a beautiful house on Miraposa Lane in
        Montecito and he is.....how do you put it?
 WC:
        A "Trust funder"...but one who put
        his privileged circumstance to good use.
 KA:But how many guys do you know that
        are just amped out of their gourds ... have unlimited funds behind em and
        go play hopity - skipity - go luckity and have a good time...without any
        restriction like him? ... He could have boats to go around the Islands
        in (Channel Islands), he could experiment ... be barefooted at all
        times... never comb his hair if he ever wanted to ... ah Fly to Australia.
        Any of us that want to go on a trip are going, "God, I can't leave
        because I'll have to dump this job and then when I leave, I'll just be
        scraping around...
 WC:
        We're "Working Class"!
 KA:All your fantasies are crushed by
        economic obligations ... realities.
 DD:
        He was the icon for unlimited freedom for
        me.
 "The hell with school! the hell with this! the hell with
        that....I just want to get out there and see the world and ride
        waves." 
        
 KA:But when you're just a young guy,
        its terrible. What is it, "things are wasted on the youth".
        But when you're a young guy, your impulses are like, " The hell
        with school! the hell with this! the hell with that ... I just want to
        get out there and see the world and ride waves. I wanna go to Western
        Australia, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And boy, the
        possibility of doing that sometimes really hard to pull off. Or you have
        to really work your ass off in areas that are really a hassle. I did
        it... so I can talk a lot about it ... That would be a long talk.
 WC:
        You're surf travels?
 DD:
        Did you sacrifice your early education to do
        that?
 KA:I sacrificed a lot of practical
        years of getting organized ... just chasing around and living in a VW Van
        and putting up scaffold in Germany and working in a brickyard in
        Australia with all the "Brickies". I could go on and on, the
        whole nine yards. But I know what its like to do it WITHOUT the support
        that Greenough had. Greenough was what you dreamed about. He was a
        walking "Dream Guy" cause he could just go out and do this non
        paying frivolous behavior involvement with his surfing and he was in
        there early enough also to have the fun and creativity of being unique
        and new and awesome and plus he's really contributed a lot to it.
 WC:
        That's the thing, he contributed a
        tremendous amount of work; in radical surfing technique and photography.
 KA:He brought surfers closer to the
        wave. In fact his kneeboarding probably influenced to a great degree, on
        how guys are handling short boards. Getting sucked in that tube and
        working those little turns.
 WC:
        Nobody knew that you could hand that far
        back and still come out.
 KA:Yeah, why do you need ten feet of
        board?
 WC:
        The way he was doing "figure
        eights" on those big Rincon waves. At that time, who would have
        thought about that. Bouncing off the soup..."rocket turns."
 KA:The 360 (turn) was a move that was
        speculated on very early on, and we really came to the conclusion, I
        mean me and my peers, that it was impossible ... Hah! Hah! Now they DO the
        impossible. Its an equipment issue.
 "... we really came to the conclusion, I mean me and my peers,
        that it (the 360 turn) was impossible...Hah! Hah! Now they DO the
        impossible."
        
 WC:
        Its equipment and technique. The grommets of
        today look at Kelly Slater and go, "Oh that's where you
        start!"
 KA:Denny and I were talking the other
        day about surfing and what you can do and really for comfort ability in
        the water, all of the niceties of riding a longboard is just so damn
        much easier. And that's why we stick into it, cause we're basically
        "Over the hill". These kids are so hot.
 WC:
        I was just looking at this book, with Dora
        hanging five (a Leroy Grannis shot). It looks like there's no board
        there, like he's standing on the water ... it's just such a beautiful shot.
 KA:Longboarding can be very
        beautiful, with trim control ... agile moves ... relaxation.
 DD:
        It's a different statement. I look at guys
        out there ripping. I remember being out there in the water one day with
        my son, just a beautiful day, and these guys were just ripping it. I was
        out there on a longboard and they were hooting me. It's just a different
        approach, different artistry, different generation.
 WC:
        I mean the idea is just that you're standing
        up ... You're "walking on water". As long as you can do that.
 KA:You know what I think my next move
        is ... is to go down to Rincon, not San Onofre...and get a little card
        table and a chair, with a phone on the table and just sit there. Offer as
        much "leadership" as I possibly can.
 
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